Date: Wednesday 9 May

Eish lets see If DC'ing club stays away this time round!!!

Please note the groups have changed slightly to accommodate the merger of groups E and F. Some players have moved up one group and C, D and E are now 12 player lobbies.

Lekker, gonna be a cracker!

Infy, you still owe me 2 points, from the Seeding race, Pls.

I'll fix the points tonight. There are a number of mistakes

Hi Admin, due to us playing clan matches on a wednesday evening could you please retire me from GT5, i'd still race in the forza league though

Infy, I see right at the top of the page it says match deadline: Thu, 10 May 2012 11:00 pm?

I would like to ask for a rerun for group D due to the fact that the lag played a big role in this race and i got taken out a couple of times on the first straight and it cost me to get a 40sec penalty on the second secain and then my race was done because of tyres and the guys had a 50 sec lead this is not the way i think the game should be played we need good hosts to host we needed to tell the host that the tyres,pp, and penaltys were not correct i dont know what is going on in the 2leg but when i started in leg 1 it was great but this is now the second race in a row were its been unberable if this is the way its going to be in the future then i am going to retire from dgl i think its a great game but this is not how leg 1 was played and i think a lot of guys will agree with me i will be waiting your responce.
thanks

I would like to ask for a rerun for group D due to the fact that the lag played a big role in this race and i got taken out a couple of times on the first straight and it cost me to get a 40sec penalty on the second secain and then my race was done because of tyres and the guys had a 50 sec lead this is not the way i think the game should be played we need good hosts to host we needed to tell the host that the tyres,pp, and penaltys were not correct i dont know what is going on in the 2leg but when i started in leg 1 it was great but this is now the second race in a row were its been unberable if this is the way its going to be in the future then i am going to retire from dgl i think its a great game but this is not how leg 1 was played and i think a lot of guys will agree with me i will be waiting your responce.
thanks

If I could copy and paste his words I would do so, not fair, can't race like this really please give a rerun!

WTF THE RACE WAS TODAY FML :C i saw thursday 10 May.
sorry for bitching wth is going on. : C

Match Deadline: Thu, 10 May 2012 11:00 pm

Guys the problem is not the host as all games are hosted on PD server and it doesn't really matter who the host is as there were issues in Pool C with host DC'ing in race with a 10Meg line, lag and DC we don't have any control over

Yep...same....Out the first corner I was with the pack. There was some hectic lag! I got taken out because of this...car was all of a sudden stopped in front of me, had no time to brake. Hit car square on, caused substantial damage and I got penalised.

So the pack was then about 22 secs in front of me by the time I recovered. Sure Im not the fastest, but given this I didnt finish too far behind and giving the racing...I might even have improved on positions as I ran a decent 4:27 so I was definitely improving.

Regardless of the above...the one driver that had hectic lag took about half the 8 racers out on the first straight.

Added to this...

Match Deadline: Thu, 10 May 2012 11:00 pm
Date: Wednesday 9 May

That is very confusing! I was not even sure and pointed this out. Explains why only 8 people made it last night out of 12...

1.Ja also thought it was Thursday the 10th @ 1st but then I saw 9 May 1st post on Match Discussion.
2.Stiggels you are a great driver and I respect you for that, but
3.If the lobby setting was done right, chances are lagging would have been less or nothing at all!

On the rules page it says - 5) Remember only the host is allowed to use a Mic. Grab your USB Keyboard from your PC and plug her in so you can communicate faster. This is to reduce lag.

But,
So - this was a post from Spaz "Guys I think we'll run a no-mic lobby.. just to ensure no dc's. If last night is anything to go by we're going to be having a dc fest again otherwise."

This from "NxR-Killa
I too will be running a no mic lobby. Will open my lobby round 8pm"

From Dupie - "I think that anyone can host now that we turn voice chat off???"

My point is clear that the voice option on the lobby should be disabled and it was not! JPlightning typed a few times "who's mic was on?"

If the voice option was turn off, then maybe you wouldnt have lagged so much stiggels, then maybe I could have had a race, but due to this I was taken out by you and was like 46sec behind on the 1st sector, and being not "fast" as some of you guys there was no chance for me to catch up!

Then Stoop's line was also a bit faulty, 1st no one could get in, then he restarted and things went better from there, but the lap time were screwed up, the lobby settings like pp, tyres was not right but hell he's alloud to make a mistake or 10 hehehe as he is not used to hosting but we forgive him

I call for a rerun on the above reasons please!

jplightning & pappa-jerr,
I feel your frustration with the lag and being taken out in the race, the same has happened to myself and many other racers numerous times, however it is just one of those things that happen sometimes and no it's not fair.
Races are usually only restarted if lag takes out more than half of the field.
As you know we did restart the race 3 times to give everyone a fair chance to race without incidents.

As far as changing the event settings goes...
No, I don't host races very often & yes I did miss a few things after having to reboot & creating the new lounge after the lounge connect problems. It was a bit rushed. I did apologise many times, everything was set correctly before the qualifying began and it seemed that everyone was happy.

I was just trying to do my bit to help out with the championships.
Feel free to put your name down to host instead, I will exclude myself from hosting any future races.

I agree with Pappa. Quali was a mess up...put me at pole position but I was actually 6th

Stoop! We're not mad @ you bro! We're just asking a fair rerun due to these issues!

Everyone was on pole on their screens hahaha!

I would like to say that stiggles took half the pack out on first two straights with lag not his fault his does not know that he is doing it but when you get taken out and then cant brake and get a 40sec penalty and dammage and thats all on first lap i am sorry but that calls for a rerun of the race, everone was hit with stiggels lag just some of us were damaged more than others and to start a race being 50 sec behind is not the way i would like to race i know i am not the fastest but i could have had a shot yesterday and yes we restarted the race 3 times becuase of stiggles lag but still 1st lap got taken out and so half the field to so sorry thats not just how it is stoop lets see you start the race with a 40 sec penalty and then we will see what you say and i am not just the only one complaining

I hear you man, yea, I was also knocked on the first lap - not as bad as you guys were, but also started behind where I should have been.
I think we all agreed though that we would go for it on the 3rd restart, no matter what happened with lag.
To be honest I had no idea so many others were also taken out.

Well, Lets see what the admins have to say about it, perhaps there is a case to re run the pool

Sorry Guys didn't know I caused it all but I did lift of when nobody followed me out of the corner and waited then Micheal started to catch me and I went again.

Sorry Guys didn't know I caused it all but I did lift of when nobody followed me out of the corner and waited then Micheal started to catch me and I went again.

It happens guys, was not anyone's "fault" as lag is lag. But half the field was taken out badly...so thats why Im saying I see justification to request a rerun for this race.

I agree, this Lag is a serious pain in the A$$ !!!!!!!!!!!!
I got knocked so hard due to Lag, I had damage - Right Front / Left front / Left rear & there was a big Red dot, flashing in the centre of the car aswell..................
Luckely the race was Restarted, otherwise I couldv'e ended there aswell, because the car was undrivable............

(Very) Provisional results:

D 1 RKU-Ryoku_STIGGELS 31 OK - Pole 380RS
D 2 NxR-Stoop 28 OK 380RS
D 3 Mvk-Michael-TRD 26 OK 380RS
D 4 Mvk-Senshi300703 25 OK 380RS
D 5 Breaker 24 OK Ft 565
D 6 [RFJ] Crazyfig 23 OK Mine's
D 7 [RFJ] Pappa-Jerr 22 DNF DC
D 8 [RFJ] jplightning 21 DNF DC
D 9 F34R_CS1977 20 DNS None
D 9 PS3ZA_ngwane 19 DNS None
D 9 Thatoke 18 DNS None
D 9 [RFJ] StrifeHawkins 17 DNS None

Hey guys.

After holding a meeting between the admin team we have decided that no re-run will take place.

Lag and DC are completely out of the admins control and should be viewed as part of the risk taken by playing online. By allowing a re-run this one time, we would have to allow re-runs for all future lag affected races as well. There is also always the chance that the re-run could be even more laggy than the first race. That is a precedent we feel would do more harm than good in the long run.

The entire admin team do understand the frustration caused by lag as we have all been in your position before. We can only hope that the lag incidents stay as rare as they have been up until now.

Thanks Admin

The mic setting should be set to disabled!

You had a meeting with admin about lag, and that's why there will be no re run!

But what about the fact that

1. the mic should be off

2. half got nailed - •Papp Jerr
•Crazyfig
•JPLightning
•Breaker

3. misunderstood the post between the 10th and 9th for the race?

F34R_CS1977 20 DNS None
PS3ZA_ngwane 19 DNS None
Thatoke 18 DNS None
[RFJ] StrifeHawkins 17 DNS None

Is this not other reasons apart from the lagg?

if i may ask, @pappa-jerr what connection and speeds you running?

Good q F34R_CS1977 as it can be that we all are on slow lines and that does effect lag, even if the host is on fast line it will not help the rest I think

how do I post a pic here i'll show you

this was my worse ping i normally get between 35 and 55

Hahaha! Better ping than my 1meg line

how's that upload hehehe

oh and this test was done while entering a lobby

so you playing on 3g go figure, the lag is terrible on 3g.. ADSL lines are more stable and honestly in GT 5 it's a nightmare, raced in a few lobbies with okes with 384 - 10mb lines no problem, the minute 3g comes into the lobby BAM lag fest, dudes teleporting all over the track!

so before the admin has to re-run races rather make sure your connection is suitable

ouboet! my 3g is much more stable than some adsl's out there, before you come throughing your toys around get your facts straight ok! ask some people in the official forum and they will even point out a "host" who has the same 3g/30k booster as me! bwaaaa freak!

Please understand, im not attacking you. Just a common misconception by some 3g users that their lines are stable when in fact it is not! 3g should never have made it into online gaming however i understand that some people just don't have an alternative. Ur argument is rather invalid about a 3g host as i play MW3 on p2p connections and when 3g's are chosen to host the lobby lags out! Simple fact that it's not as stable as ADSL.

It has to do with the way in which the two types of connections send packets of data.

Sorry for butting in, but i have to agree with the 3g causing lag. Remember, in the end its a wireless connection. depending on many many other users. Think about it this way, every household around you has atleast 2 cellphones, 1 tower handles a 5km radius, so call it 100 homes (if you dont live in a heavily populated area).loads more than the exchange has to deal with

I didn't say you're attacking me, I just got irritated with you saying "so you playing on 3g go figure". If we had lines in our area I would have had adsl anyway, when we move both agent and telkom said I could transfer my line, then after 1 year of fighting they spinned me the story of "we'll have lines in the new financial year" but the fact remains they wont put lines there until they have enough orders. So I went for 3g with 8ta, again I had to fight with them every week for 4months until they came and installed a booster thing.

My point I was trying to make is yes I understand the fact of dc's and lag with 3g, but dont under estimate guys like me with this type of setup! And I'm running everything through a Netgear 300mbps Modem aswell. So I know and tested in lobbies that I have a very strong 3g setup

End of discussion

Quote from RKU-Yacsteel with the same type of setup

Pappa i have hosted some team prac sessions before with no hassles at all, the booster makes a beeg difference and im sure it will be stable for hosting
If mine was working i would have offered to host

Yeah to add to the 3g issue here
I have tested previously and i have been able to host a lobby with normal settings )ie: race quality and voice chat with 10 guys in it
I also participated in another test on gtcoza where the guys wanted to run a full 16 lobby race, i think 14 guys turned up and we raced, i did not lag at all
There are certain 3g connections that are slow an lag but its not with every user
I can also race international lobbies with no issues
Pappa has the same booster as me and i think we can be considered as hosts in future as well, there is really no issue with his line with the booster

Thank You Yacsteel - go figure. . . .